tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post8480058551562998803..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Netanyahu addresses 'pain' of south Tel Aviv Mizrahim Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-41098946812450377252017-09-04T12:42:07.574+01:002017-09-04T12:42:07.574+01:00The above is the reason I am totally against jaili...The above is the reason I am totally against jailing African illegals for two three months, as some in Israel have proposed lately. I find it absolutely repugnant to keep them more than 24hrs at a police station, which is the time needed to see what to do with them or if someone comes to vouch for them.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-40815454711557189922017-09-04T12:28:32.388+01:002017-09-04T12:28:32.388+01:00Davsil wrote
If the situation was reversed and it ...Davsil wrote<br /><i>If the situation was reversed and it was Jewish refugees trying to seek refuge in Eritrea and the Eritrean government refused, everybody would be shouting "anti-Semitism".</i><br /><br />Actually, the situation <b>was</b> reversed, when Jews fleeing the attacks by nationalists in some countries sought refugee asylum status in France. But because they left penniless, had no sponsor, no domicile and no promise for a job, they fell under the French law called "delit de vagabondage", or crime of vagrancy. They were jailed for a little while, then deported back when they couldn't find a guarantor. Some went from there to Israel, others were simply put back on the boat.<br /><br />Interestingly, that law was abrogated in 1994, just in time to welcome the new waves of refugees.<br /><br />Yet, French hypocrisy is such that it didnt keep them from hauling off a 15 year old gypsy girl from a schoolbus just two years ago and deport her to Kosovo. So what the Europeans do, they do for their own interest. And so does Israel. Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-64665499754149589632017-09-03T19:52:18.051+01:002017-09-03T19:52:18.051+01:00Of course Israel should assess the claims of asylu...Of course Israel should assess the claims of asylum seekers. But would you respect its right to reject their claims? The refugee crisis poses dilemmas for all 'safe' countries. I see that the UK is not doing too well in this area. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/01/britain-one-of-worst-places-western-europe-asylum-seekers. bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-63406697813604711172017-09-03T19:11:15.036+01:002017-09-03T19:11:15.036+01:00The claim that asylum seekers have to seek asylum ...The claim that asylum seekers have to seek asylum in the first country they reach is a lie: https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_4Alex Steinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-74804965989573412942017-09-03T19:09:28.812+01:002017-09-03T19:09:28.812+01:001. Most asylum seekers don't remain in the fir...1. Most asylum seekers don't remain in the first country they come to, particularly if their prospects are as terrible as they would be somewhere like Egypt. In any case, it's irrelevant, as not stopping in the first country you come to doesn't your claim for asylum is invalid Trying to make it to a country where you might have some prospects for building a life isn't a crime. 2. You know what is meant by international levels - other western democratic countries that Israel routinely compares itself to (although it's worth noting that there are plenty of much poorer countries who frequently take in much larger number of refugees). 3. "How do you know how many are genuine refugees, how many economic migrants." By assessing their claims, in the way the international treaties Israel is signatory to requires it to do. Which brings us back to the simple question you haven't answered. Do you or do you not think Israel should assess the claims of people seeking asylum? If not, why not? Alex Steinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-17715761887061426722017-09-02T12:37:36.615+01:002017-09-02T12:37:36.615+01:00If it were Jewish refugees seeking refuge in Eritr...If it were Jewish refugees seeking refuge in Eritrea I doubt if the Eritreans would have much sympathy for them if they caused the locals to fear leaving their own homes.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-42552762703755503772017-09-02T04:19:35.512+01:002017-09-02T04:19:35.512+01:00If the situation was reversed and it was Jewish re...If the situation was reversed and it was Jewish refugees trying to seek refuge in Eritrea and the Eritrean government refused, everybody would be shouting "anti-Semitism".by Davsilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01422042823291325964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-571449304803262732017-09-01T16:08:32.890+01:002017-09-01T16:08:32.890+01:00Netanyahu does not even use the word 'refugee&...Netanyahu does not even use the word 'refugee' - his word is 'infiltrator'. It seems meaningless to talk of 'approval ratings being lower than international levels'. What are 'international levels'? (Much of the world consists of poverty-stricken and corrupt dictatorships.) Some western countries have better records than others - Germany better than the UK or US. <br />How do you know how many are genuine refugees, how many economic migrants? <br />International law says that genuine refugees should seek asylum in the first country they come to, which in most cases should be Egypt.Clearly that many of these people would prefer to end up in a prosperous country where they have a good chance of finding paid employment. bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-90386791427578737652017-09-01T15:23:46.167+01:002017-09-01T15:23:46.167+01:00Can we surmise from your snarky use of 'refuge...Can we surmise from your snarky use of 'refugees' that you would support Israel assessing the asylum seekers claims? Relevant background here:<br /><br />"Between 2009 and 2015, 2,408 Eritreans requested refugee status in Israel. The state again has responded to 1.42% of these requests, or 45 people, also rejecting 40 outright, and granting temporary protection to five, while the Interior Ministry granted refugee status to four people.<br /><br />Israel’s approval ratings for refugee status are drastically lower than international levels. According to the United Nation’s High Commissioner for Refugees, internationally, 84% of Eritreans and 56% of Sudanese asylum seekers received either refugee status or extended protection in 2014."Alex Steinnoreply@blogger.com