tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post6147700636965324156..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Arabs and Jews: a failed population transferUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-8446505243467204352015-06-22T07:25:40.404+01:002015-06-22T07:25:40.404+01:00Interesting. Of course the Arabs never expected in...Interesting. Of course the Arabs never expected in their wildest dreams that the Jews would win this war, so the population was ordered to get out of the way temporarily so that they could march back in in triumph.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-90399804308374714972015-06-21T18:56:40.261+01:002015-06-21T18:56:40.261+01:00"Many others fled at the urging of the leader..."Many others fled at the urging of the leaders of the five Arab nations invading the territory of the new state, so as not to impede the attacking armies."<br /><br />According to Muslim teaching, Muslims should not live under non-Muslim rule or subject to non-Muslims. Hence, it was perfectly normal by Islamic law for Arab-Muslim leaders to tell Arabs to leave the war zones both to avoid getting in the way of Arab troops and to avoid living under Jewish, that is non-Muslim rule. Turkish historian Kemal Karpat described this rule in Muslim law and gave as an example the emigration of Tatars --also called Crimean Tatars-- from their khanate which was located in the Crimea of today plus the area of southern and southeastern Ukraine of today. Up to the last quarter of the 18th century, up to about 1774 --with some areas conquered by Russia a few years later-- that vast region, now disputed in part between Russia and Ukraine, was part of a Muslim-Turkic khanate. In that case, Muslims did not want to live under Russian rule and migrated to the Ottoman Empire, of which the Crimean khanate had been loose suzerainty.<br /><br />It appears that observance of that same rule was urged on Palestinian Arabs by their leadership in the Arab Higher Committee in 1948.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-50990418690267118532015-06-19T23:50:38.770+01:002015-06-19T23:50:38.770+01:00This article is not about general population trans...This article is not about general population transfers per se. It is about the Palestinian Arab refugees specifically. My question is "why?" In 1947-1949, the Arabs embarked on a war of annihilation against the Jews. The Jews won - somewhat - and survived and the Arabs lost. Not being annihilated was Israel's biggest crime. So personally, I don't care how the Arabs became refugees. I don't care if Israel expelled them or they left by other means. Let them suffer. That's what they're good at anyway.by Davsilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01422042823291325964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-19594385038318127952015-06-19T13:58:24.028+01:002015-06-19T13:58:24.028+01:00Some comments:
-- before WW One non-Muslims --Jews...Some comments:<br />-- before WW One non-Muslims --Jews & Christians-- were a solid majority in Constantinople, as Istanbul was originally called. The Greeks alone may have been a majority but certainly Greeks, Jews, Armenians and Bulgarians made up a majority easily.<br /><br />-- the leaders of the Allied states, Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt basically approved of these expulsions of ethnic Germans at the Yalta conference in 1945<br /><br />-- The Greeks were promised by the Allies, the Entente powers, that they could take southwestern Anatolia, Ionia more or less, as a reward for joining the war.<br /><br />-- the Greek army was winning as it crossed through Anatolia but was ordered to stop, that is it was betrayed, by the Supreme Allied Council [of the Entente powers] in 1921. This left the Greeks with hard to defend lines which enabled a Turkish victory on the counter-attack. If the Greeks had won, it would have made a big difference in subsequent history. Some of the top Greek leaders like Venizelos were pro-Zionist.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.com