tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post5931766411450778231..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: 'Seeds of conflict' could sow confusionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-11393402990639799212015-07-05T08:40:44.505+01:002015-07-05T08:40:44.505+01:00Sylvia, I am aware of what aman means in Arabic. T...Sylvia, I am aware of what aman means in Arabic. That these people were Ashkenazim is the conclusion of historians, not mine. Sorry that I cannot give you references. Maybe it was Amnon Cohen who wrote the article that I read that explained this clearly.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-4204195734398515142015-07-03T16:13:58.867+01:002015-07-03T16:13:58.867+01:00Al-aman is definitely not aleman. It is a well-kno...Al-aman is definitely not aleman. It is a well-known Arabic word that means many things, depending of the context. If it refers to people, it can mean "protected", believers", people in charge of security, honorable, trustworthy and a myriad of other concepts, none of them German. If it refers to things, it can mean a precious deposit, trust and many others thing. If it is associated to concepts, it means someone of confidence, that can be trusted, and more. <br /><br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-51214667543404189652015-07-03T00:29:53.499+01:002015-07-03T00:29:53.499+01:00fascinating, Eliyahu. fascinating, Eliyahu. bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-69395507870173909572015-07-03T00:28:52.679+01:002015-07-03T00:28:52.679+01:00There were also Ashkenazim in places like Safed, H...There were also Ashkenazim in places like Safed, Hebron and Tiberias in the 18th and 19th centuries. Jews --all communities together-- formed a majority in Jerusalem by the mid-19th century.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-69385746635390882872015-07-03T00:25:35.901+01:002015-07-03T00:25:35.901+01:00Sounds to me like this PBS "documentary"...Sounds to me like this PBS "documentary" is not worth much at all. There were Ashkenazim in Jerusalem back in the 17th century. Some or all of them were called in the official Muslim records [in Arabic or Turkish] al-Aman. Scholars figured out that this referred to Ashkenazim since <i>aleman</i> in Spanish and <i>allemand</i> in French mean German which was the original meaning of Ashkenazi [or referring to all of Germanic northern Europe]. Maybe the Ladino-speaking Sefardim in Jerusalem at that time called them Alemanes. <br /><br />Be that as it may, large numbers of Ashkenazim were coming to Jerusalem in the 19th century. To be sure, few Ashkenazim identified as such lived in Jerusalem between circa 1730 and 1809 approx, since the Ashkenazi community could not pay Arab creditors who had lent them money to build their synagogue about 1700 and eventually burned down the synagogue in view of the Jews' default. Ashkenazim avoided the city for almost 100 years because Arab creditors demanded that any available Ashkenazi pay for the $$$$ loaned to build the synagogue. The synagogue was later called the Hurva and was destroyed again by Arabs in 1948 and more recently built about 10 years ago.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-16654122791969439232015-07-02T12:26:30.415+01:002015-07-02T12:26:30.415+01:00Not a word, it seems, about how British officials ...Not a word, it seems, about how British officials in the British occupation regime [OETA-South] and the later mandatory regime deliberately incited Arabs to attack Jews. For example, see mentions of Colonel Waters-Taylor in Col. Meinertzhagen's book, Middle East Diary.<br /><br />It was British officers who worked to get Arabs to set up Muslim-Christian Associations in the period of occupation [1917-1920, OETA-South] before the mandatory govt was set up in 1920.<br /><br />The purpose of these associations was get Muslims and Christians, never all that loving of each other, to cooperate in opposing the Jews. See Y Porat inter alia.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-22870948723758634782015-07-01T21:55:12.450+01:002015-07-01T21:55:12.450+01:00Apparently the main influence of the film was Elis...Apparently the main influence of the film was Elisha Baskin,(daughter of dovish Gershon) who is/was a member of Jewish Voice for Peace. She could have benefited from a few grapes of wisdom too, Sammish!bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-60585940742070723182015-07-01T21:38:48.121+01:002015-07-01T21:38:48.121+01:00I have seen the "Seeds of Conflict" yest...I have seen the "Seeds of Conflict" yesterday on Public Broadcasting TV. I was expecting more thant just one event dramatization. When I was a student (long time ago) I was forwarned about the issue of social reductionism. I found that the Seeds of Conflict although not entirely false because it was based on some factual events, it reduces the whole complex issue of Jewish-Arab conflict to a mere event of counter-response of the Kibbutzim defense guards because of some Bedouin stealing grapes. <br /><br />It was like saying that the civil right movement in the 1960's United States was the work of only Martin Luther King. Or that the World War I, was triggered by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarayevo. We know that these are reductionist claims. There are more to these than just a single fact. <br /><br />Tonight I will eat some grapes, maybe I will get enlightened by some non-reductionist explanations. Samsihnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-87600850394409219932015-07-01T13:46:50.144+01:002015-07-01T13:46:50.144+01:00Superb article. Kol haKavod to Lyn Julius.Superb article. Kol haKavod to Lyn Julius.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-75428764372435453392015-06-30T22:42:34.243+01:002015-06-30T22:42:34.243+01:00Fascinating post.Fascinating post.fibrogirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10457212272150765523noreply@blogger.com