tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post3838962968632813481..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Sixty-five years ago, panic sweeps Moroccan JewsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-44583119699840538302013-07-14T18:42:26.261+01:002013-07-14T18:42:26.261+01:00The French basically did the same in Constantine i...The French basically did the same in Constantine in 1934 at the time of the pogrom. But it's nothing new. The Russian tsarist govt did the same. The Polish govt did the same between the world wars. Eyn hadash tahat hashemesh.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-45626446417776731862013-07-14T18:27:50.028+01:002013-07-14T18:27:50.028+01:00Hi Sylvia,
In the link I posted in my previous com...Hi Sylvia,<br />In the link I posted in my previous comment appears the manuscript in its original Jewish-Arabic in Hebrew characters, as was written by the Ibn Danan family, along side its Hebrew translation.Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-34752822874863198322013-07-14T12:08:12.370+01:002013-07-14T12:08:12.370+01:00I have the French version by Georges Vajda of the ...I have the French version by Georges Vajda of the Ibn Danan family journal, I could see that in places he translated literally which doesn't render correctly the figures of speech, for example.<br />I certainly would like to see a transcription of the original Moroccan manuscript in Hebrew or Latin characters. Do you know if there is such a thing? <br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-67782986575865695322013-07-14T01:41:50.860+01:002013-07-14T01:41:50.860+01:00The myth of harmony between Jews and Muslims in Mo...The myth of harmony between Jews and Muslims in Morocco does not hold water in face of historical scrutiny. Every hegemonic society wants to believe it treats its minorities good and thus feel good about itself, but this is very rarely the case. When one actually examines the history of Jews in Morocco one finds numerous cases of persecutions of Jews. Authentic Jewish historical sources, such as the book al-ta'arikh, that describes the history of the Jews in Fes as recorded generation after generation by the family of Ibn Danan, the Dayanim of Fes, the history of the jews there seems like moving from one persecution to another. A miserable existence that was accompanied by brutal treatment from the hegemonic Muslim society. Their four hundreds year old manuscript is available online in Hebrew here - http://www.otzar.org/wotzar/book.aspx?84101&lang=eng<br /><br />Other sources give a similar picture as well. Much before "Israel" could have been the excuse for any of the persecutions, Jews suffered greatly in Morocco under the hands of the ruler or the masses. In the times of the ruler Yazid in the end of the 18th century, for example, there were mass killings of Jews in different parts of morocco including rape of Jewsih women. Under his rule even Jews in the most rural and small towns of morocco were effected, Jews in the Berber town of Oufran (not the ski resort) were given the choice of death or forced conversion to Islam, and 50 of them chose to burn themselves alive to avoid the forced conversion. <br />During the 19th century, during Morocco's wars with the European powers, there were Muslim riots and massacres against the Jews in Tetuan, Mogador (essaouira), Melilla, and more cities throughout the country. Hundreds of dead, women raped, property looted. <br /><br />Depicting the Jewish history in the Maghreb as harmonious, besides telling a complete falsehood, it's also disrespectful for the memory of all those victims of persecution from our community. Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-81401647260353148082013-07-14T01:24:14.516+01:002013-07-14T01:24:14.516+01:00 The conduct of the French was the norm, not the e... The conduct of the French was the norm, not the exception, and followed the same pattern for every pogrom throughout the years. <br /><br />In practically every pogrom, even though they had prior knowledge of plans to attack Jews, the French soldiers became invisible.<br /><br />You mention the pogrom of Fes in 1912, it started after French officers and their Moroccan soldiers proceeded to disarm the Jewish population of the Mellah on suspicion that they were selling arms to the rebels. <br /><br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.com