tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post3820986476127641150..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: What's left of Iraqi-Jewish heritage? Not muchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-77958024287460660972013-12-09T22:41:12.745+00:002013-12-09T22:41:12.745+00:00Eliyahu, I think you may have a factual point here...Eliyahu, I think you may have a factual point here. Although I don't think it changes the argument that Fattal was trying to make. I Googled the quotation and I found the quotation in article written by Edwin Black who is a Pulitzer Prize nominated author, and wrote a book on Iraqi Jews.<br /><br />http://www.bankingonbaghdad.com/archive/ReformJudaism2004V33N2/black.shtml<br /><br />The quotation quotes the Mufti saying this after the Farhud, not before. Fattal, may have made a mistake here. But as far as the point he was trying to make it doesn't change much. The Mufti campaigned to have the Jews of Arab lands thrown out or killed. His intentions and the campaign he led against Jews is unmistakeable.<br /><br />Fattal's argument is straight forward, the Palestinians weren't innocent victims. Their leadership called for the persecution of Jews, so the outcome of Jews coming to Israel is a natural result of that campaign.Joe S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-42834985701784072192013-12-09T16:48:44.675+00:002013-12-09T16:48:44.675+00:00their leadership was advocating the killing and di...<i>their leadership was advocating the killing and displacement of Jews from Arab countries</i><br /><br />This point about advocating the killing of Jews of Arab lands needs elaboration. Haj Amin el-Husseini was in Baghdad from 1938 or 1939 up to 1941. During that time he not only issued a fatwa advocating the killing of Jews [which I admit I was unaware of] but an Iraqi investigating commission set up after the Farhud found that his anti-Jewish agitation and that of his following of Palestinian Arabs who were in Iraq with him, had led to the Farhud. Fattal quotes Husseini as writing in a pre-Farhud fatwa: "Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases Allah, history and religion." These same two sentences were also broadcast by Husseini over Radio Berlin while he was in Germany from 1941 till 1945, enjoying hitler's hospitality and a generous allowance that provided for the upkeep of his entourage of Palestinian Arabs of the leading families and quarters for his offices and his various projects.<br /><br />While in Germany, the Mufti, Husseini, is reported to have visited Auschwitz and in any case urged Germany and its satellite states [Hungary, Rumania, etc] not to let Jews leave the Nazi-fascist domain in Europe. He urged that Jewish children be sent to Poland where, he wrote, they would be under "active supervision." So Husseini, the chief leader of the Palestinian Arabs in the period from 1921 to circa 1950, was also responsible for the murder of Jewish children in Europe.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-12443697149820399822013-12-09T16:26:19.747+00:002013-12-09T16:26:19.747+00:00How can Palestinians argue they were helpless, inn...<i>How can Palestinians argue they were helpless, innocent victims when their leadership was advocating the killing and displacement of Jews from Arab countries? </i><br /><br />Fattal is absolutely correct here. The Arab Higher Committee, the leadership body of the Palestinian Arabs, headed by Amin el-Husseini, was a member of the Arab League and took part in its decisions as to what to do about the Jews in Arab lands in case the UNSCOP partition plan was adopted and recommended by the UN General Assembly. These proposals and plans regarding the Jews in Arab countries were made before Israeli independence on 15 May 1948.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-86922671383636889292013-12-07T22:51:49.551+00:002013-12-07T22:51:49.551+00:00I cannot speak of Robert Fattal's experiences ...I cannot speak of Robert Fattal's experiences in Canada. However, when I was going to a Jewish school in a large US city, we studied history. Respect was paid to the cultural accomplishments for the Jewish people of the Jews in Babylonia [Iraq] and in Spain. According to the outline of Jewish history of Solomon Grayzel and other historians, Israel was the first center of Jewish culture and religion. In the Roman/Byzantine period, the center moved to Babylonia and then later to Spain. Meanwhile, other centers were important, such as Alexandria in Egypt and northern France/Rhineland in the time of Rashi. It is noteworthy that the Babylonian Talmud was circulated among Jews and became an authority for Jews worldwide. The same later happened with the Biblical and Talmudic commentaries of Rashi which went to Ashkenaz and Sefarad and the Orient.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.com