tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post2665136685123911698..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: An exchange of views with The AsylumistUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-11088720345447053502012-09-07T04:12:33.634+01:002012-09-07T04:12:33.634+01:00No, that definition doesn't apply.
"Unde...No, that definition doesn't apply.<br /><br />"Under UNRWA's operational definition, Palestine refugees are people whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict."<br /><br />http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=86<br /><br />That's the whole definition. Says nothing about fleeing persecution or being unable to return because of fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-28920939358861642552012-09-06T23:48:24.488+01:002012-09-06T23:48:24.488+01:00The second part of the definition is "...or w...The second part of the definition is "...or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."<br />Asylumist seems to dwell on this, as opposed to the first part of the definition - refugees from persecution. The Palestinians are unable to return, as per this definition, but not unwilling - unlike the Jewish refugees. bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-69010989350741080322012-09-06T19:35:27.377+01:002012-09-06T19:35:27.377+01:00Bataween, good job keeping this crucial issue aliv...Bataween, good job keeping this crucial issue alive. You missed an incredibly important point in your debate with the Asylumist.<br /><br />He claims that Palestinians fall under the regular definition of refugees, which therefore means that they fled due to persecution. Not true. They have their own definition, which says nothing about persecution, but rather, it says that a Palestinian refugee is any Arab who lost his/her current dwelling and the right to work after living in Palestine for less than 2 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-81367779240710483412012-09-06T15:01:32.850+01:002012-09-06T15:01:32.850+01:00Bataween, I think that those among Jews who resist...Bataween, I think that those among Jews who resist acknowledging that there were Jewish refugees from Arab lands are most likely to be "leftists." But these "leftists" can be either Sefardim or Ashkenazim. You have quoted the negative attitudes of Prof Shenhav and of Eric Rouleau too, if I understood him rightly. It's only in more recent years that this false notion has gained wide "Jewish" support in the United States, where false views of Arab-Jewish relations throughout history are deliberately supported and fostered in many universities. When I lived in the USA in my youth the Jewish community newspaper in my city gave sizable space to reports of persecution of Jews in places like Morocco and of the aliyah from Arab-Muslim-ruled lands to Israel. Today, many editors of the Jewish communal press in America take a line favoring the State Dept's basic anti-Israel line [falsely viewed as a "peace policy"]. Belittling the persecution of Jews in Arab lands is part of supporting that State Dept line. Peter Beinart, who has a grandmother from Egypt, seems to do that too. In Israel, that kind of attitude is most prevalent, it seems, around the newspaper HaAretz which is self-avowed as "leftist."Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-39384984801050275392012-09-03T16:41:43.728+01:002012-09-03T16:41:43.728+01:00Your exchange with the Asylumist was good and fair...Your exchange with the Asylumist was good and fairly subdued given your own individual experience with forced exile. I would have been a bit harsh with him for taking the higher moral ground about an issue he does not have the visceral experience of, nor the empathatic undertanding of exile. But I know it is difficult to keep oneself calm by not being enraged by the insensitive normative clauses of constructive debate. Given his protracted discourse of the law he seems to be well versed in international law but has no clue of the plight of Mizrahi jews when they were compelled to exit their homelands.<br /><br />Laws are not preordained they are written by people full of biases and misrepresentations. Of course I am not speaking about ALL LAWS...<br /> Sammishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-13304808548113159292012-09-03T16:21:10.562+01:002012-09-03T16:21:10.562+01:00Thank you for providing the link to my 'spot t...Thank you for providing the link to my 'spot the difference' post. Your blog is performing such a valuable service especially to those who are just now learning the Jewish refugee story.Bella Centerhttp://mideastparalleluniverse.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-19080518391598425142012-09-03T00:12:22.434+01:002012-09-03T00:12:22.434+01:00My response to Mrs. Ashrawy,
Denying expulsion of ...My response to Mrs. Ashrawy,<br />Denying expulsion of the 100.000 jews from Egypt, is like denying Holocaust. The first wave of expulsion, occured in May 15 1948, when Egypt imprisonned 1600 Jews for 18 months, confiscating all their assets, then expelled them with their families which makes 10,000 Jews. The Second wave began in November 1956, 5,000 Jews imprisonned in Jewish Schools, then expelled with their families, which makes 30,000 Jews more. The third wave in June 1967: prison, torture, then expulsion, until no Jews left. In between, following persecutions, Egyptian Jews were sadly compelled to leave. (My brother was beaten in the bus until blood).<br />My family was expelled in the first wave, and I am a refugee living in Israel, which is a big refugees camp, which became an educated, prosperous and free one.<br />Levana.Levana Zamirnoreply@blogger.com