tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post978291013972994314..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Spanish citizenship creates huge interestUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-81456883339382326662014-02-18T21:32:44.923+00:002014-02-18T21:32:44.923+00:00Sylvia, those who would take or have taken German ...Sylvia, those who would take or have taken German citizenship tend to be Commies and other "lefties," as far as I know. Polish citizenship is something else. But from what I have read, I understand that it is an expensive process, involving lawyers and various fees.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-25259887355540624142014-02-18T17:41:24.178+00:002014-02-18T17:41:24.178+00:00Elyahu
I explained in another thread that initial...Elyahu<br /><br />I explained in another thread that initially, the idea of a Spanish passport (not necessarily Spanish residence) was meant initially to rescue the Jews of Colombia under Chavez when they were persecuted. That would have offered them an escape if things worsened perhaps only temporarily, just like that Spanish ambassador in Bordeaux Da Souza Mendes I think was his name, has distributed Spanish passports to Jews fleeing the Nazis - and was punished for that.<br /><br />The idea has developed further to include all the descendants of megurashim but it has only the status of proposal and might never pass. So we don't really know about fees. But even if there were high fees, trust me there are those who will pay what it takes. <br /><br />Along with loyalty to the land and perhaps more important is the instinct of preservation. How long do you think people will continue day in day out to take insults and humiliations, below-the-belt insinuations and lack of access?<br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-7206751592197078912014-02-18T17:20:51.085+00:002014-02-18T17:20:51.085+00:00There are tens of thousands Israelis whose familie...There are tens of thousands Israelis whose families experienced the Shoah who have taken up German and Polish passports.<br /><br />I wouldn't take up Spanish nationality either. People like you and I of the immigrant generation still carry from childhood that huge psychological barrier with regard to Spain.<br /> <br />I think however that the younger generations, raised in a different way and with different concerns, won't have the slightest problem with that, particularly when they see their Ashkenazi friends with a German or Polish passport.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-2729873949500842012014-02-18T15:58:50.570+00:002014-02-18T15:58:50.570+00:00If Germans offered Jews a nationality. would you a...If Germans offered Jews a nationality. would you accept. I would be curious to know!Though it is very far off and the King of Spain himself has asked for pardon,I wouldn't (not in a million years) accept.<br />The Inquisition was as bad as the Nazis!!<br />sultanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-11708495749756495022014-02-18T01:12:47.663+00:002014-02-18T01:12:47.663+00:00Spain may just impose fees on applying for and rec...Spain may just impose fees on applying for and receiving citizenship. Depending on the amount of such fees, a lot of the folks now so eager to get a Spanish passport may decide that it isn't worth the money.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-39774559908260414952014-02-17T23:32:54.470+00:002014-02-17T23:32:54.470+00:00
Adil
There were many Andalusians and Castilians ...<br /><br />Adil<br />There were many Andalusians and Castilians Muslims who were expelled from Spain too, but later claimed to be of Arab descent, some of them claimed even to be sharifs! There are many of them for example in Sale, Fez, in Algeria Tunisia, etc. But surely you knew that.<br /><br />And nobody denies that many of those Sephardic Jews, before they were Spanish, were of Berber origin and that there was a mix of populations. Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-18455414419760262692014-02-17T23:26:08.492+00:002014-02-17T23:26:08.492+00:00No Jews for centuries but for those centuries they...No Jews for centuries but for those centuries they kept a vlose eye on their doings at least in the Western Maghreb.<br />Ebverytime a Moroccan Jewish trader came to Gibraltar, the Spanish slammed the British for letting them in, reminding them the provisions of the Treaty of Utrecht, whereby they were not to permit Jew or More in the Iberian peninsula.<br /><br />Probably because the Spanish threat was ever present, Moroccan Jews were very hostile to the Spanish well into the twentieth century and they had a de facto ban to never step on Spanish soil. The early emigres to Spain were very discreet about their whereabouts. <br /><br />On the other hand, those Jews who were in the East in Ottoman lands and far away from the Spanish, were nostalgic about Spain and almost looked at their old Spanish dialect as something sacred.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-42908008939534842172014-02-17T21:54:54.330+00:002014-02-17T21:54:54.330+00:00LOL that is ridiculous... Many of these Sephardim ...LOL that is ridiculous... Many of these Sephardim are of North African descent who went alongside Tarek Abu Ziad to conquest the Iberian peninsula and who just "immigrated to Spain" to be kicked out a few centuries after... Their ancestors then mixed with local Jews when they reached Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Greece, Lebanon, Egypt etc... Even the young Israeli named "Mizrahi", meaning "Egyptian" or "Eastern". Being Sephardi means being of a Jew following the Andalusian ritual... which became the main tradition for all the Jews accross the middle east and North Africa. It doesn't mean they are actual Spaniard people. The world is crazy<br /><br />@Anonymous : what the relationship with Arabs?AdilElMaghrebinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-86407103223049145652014-02-17T20:13:44.750+00:002014-02-17T20:13:44.750+00:00the last comment is by Eliyahu although somehow I ...the last comment is by Eliyahu although somehow I became AnonymousEliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-34715720924218210642014-02-17T20:10:23.104+00:002014-02-17T20:10:23.104+00:00Anon, that's an interesting observation about ...Anon, that's an interesting observation about Spain. No Jews for centuries. But the prejudices and hatreds last. <br />But Spain is not the only country like that. Ireland never had many Jews. Likewise the Scandinavian lands. But hating Jews and despising Jews are part of their old culture. Ireland got Catholic Judeoophobia, consider Father Coughlin especially although he operated in the USA. The Scandinavians got Lutheran Judeophobia which is worse than the Catholic in many ways.<br /><br />While I was studying in the US I usually got on fairly well with Spaniards who knew that I was a Jew. And Prof Netanyahu, a prof at various univs in the USA, told me that he had good friends among Spanish colleagues in the American univs where he taught.<br /><br />On the other hand, one of my teachers of Spanish --she was not Spanish but from a wealthy Puerto Rican background-- told me that Spain had to expel the Jews for the sake of unity of the Spanish people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-6168476135552168982014-02-17T18:14:21.081+00:002014-02-17T18:14:21.081+00:00My grandmother, born in "Palestine", spo...My grandmother, born in "Palestine", spoke fluent Ladino. It made things a bit easier when our family had to leave Egypt in the mid-50's and went to South America. <br /><br />Spain is a very unusual country when it comes to Jews. It is one of the most unabashedly anti-Semitic countries in the world even tho it had almost no Jews for centuries. "Perro judÃo" is still a very popular insult. I've even saw it being used on TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-49479262487687802332014-02-17T09:43:18.425+00:002014-02-17T09:43:18.425+00:00If people get a Spanish passport, they will find t...If people get a Spanish passport, they will find themselves dominated by Arabs who also claim a place in the sun!Today they are celebrating their 5Oth anniversary since leaving their country of origin<br />sultanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com