tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post7740825910766559206..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Gilbert Achcar: neither scholarly nor moderateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-28540051606104096772013-11-26T10:14:37.104+00:002013-11-26T10:14:37.104+00:00The grand mufti Amin el Husseini remains a hero of...The grand mufti Amin el Husseini remains a hero of the Palestinian leadership to this day.<br /><br />Arafat specifically praised him as such:<br />http://web.archive.org/web/20080601031456/http://www.pmw.org.il/bulletins-050802.html<br /><br />and even Abbas still praises him<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QUlFC8jEMEU.<br /><br />The US government archives records in some detail Husseini's activities in support of the Nazis (especially in chapter 2 of this document)<br />http://www.archives.gov/iwg/reports/hitlers-shadow.pdf.Stephen Franklinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-40003264473971777492010-11-09T14:42:43.827+00:002010-11-09T14:42:43.827+00:00My view is that religion - or the doctrine of jiha...My view is that religion - or the doctrine of jihad - played a key part in the Mufti's ideology. He began agitating against the Jews of Palestine as early as the 1920s - he was driven by pure anti-Jewish bigotry, not economic motives - for the landowning families were only too happy to sell their lands at inflated prices. Many were absentee landlords in Damascus and Beirut.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-30403747484011780672010-11-09T12:32:27.133+00:002010-11-09T12:32:27.133+00:00I wonder how much of Husseini's original motiv...I wonder how much of Husseini's original motivation was religious, and how much came from the reaction of the rich land-owning families in Palestine to Zionists competing in the land market.<br /><br />(Naturally the economic and racist motives are not exclusive.)Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-68961969856836063462010-11-09T10:25:30.878+00:002010-11-09T10:25:30.878+00:00I don't know what point you are trying to make...I don't know what point you are trying to make. Please keep your comments On Topic or they will be deleted. I will also delete 'ad hominem' comments.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-82774154414653505812010-11-09T10:22:39.250+00:002010-11-09T10:22:39.250+00:00well done free speech...
I am talking about what ...well done free speech...<br /><br />I am talking about what your point out not about Arab problems here, the reality is these not my words and my conclusions its wrote by people who have gain recognitions of their research and historical facts. so don't attach me personally this shortcut of failing to stand behind your point<br /><br />If that bother you and make you sick its only because its true and make you point naked.<br /><br />any way you words about you Zionist founder wrong go read more " again not my word just to educate you here"<br /><br /><i>Theodor (Binyamin Ze’ev) Herzl (May 2,1860 - July 3, 1904), founded the Zionist political<br />Herzl's ideas found mass support from the poor Jews of Eastern Europe and Russia ……Herzl was turned down by Jewish magnates such as Baron Hirsch and Baron Rothschild.<br />Herzl's ideas were rejected in Western Europe. Herzl was turned down by Jewish magnates such as Baron Hirsch and Baron Rothschild. Herzl then appealed to the people, organizing the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 29¬31, 1897.</i><br />http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/biography_herzl.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-81385527377981022652010-11-09T09:27:24.294+00:002010-11-09T09:27:24.294+00:00Herzl did not mention National Socialism. In any c...Herzl did not mention National Socialism. In any case he died in 1904, well before that movement was born.<br />Anon, please stop trying to blame others for Arab failings - you are a sucker for propaganda and conspiracy theories.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-32790559615282026732010-11-09T09:17:36.144+00:002010-11-09T09:17:36.144+00:00As usual you keep been out the main point this is ...As usual you keep been out the main point this is not first one and I think not last one.<br /><br />I knew Philby and all of that this is not my cores point but the point here pointing Bin Laden here as one of as extremest iodology generated and help by Britt's in fisrt place, its not as any other Islamic factions at all, you go do homeowrk about it.<br /><br />secondly in regard to "National Socialism" you should know well this also behind Zionist Ideology <br /><br /><i>"I consider the Jewish question neither a social nor a religious one, even though it sometimes takes these and other forms. It is a national question, </i><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl" rel="nofollow">Theodor Herzl</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-89047265086306313522010-11-09T08:14:31.826+00:002010-11-09T08:14:31.826+00:00Anon, you seem to be referring to the Saudi takeov...Anon, you seem to be referring to the Saudi takeover of Arabia in the early 1920s. Yes, it is known that Philby was the British agent working with the Saudi clan ruling the Nejd and encouraged or approved their attacks on the Hashemite clan, ruling the Hijaz. The Saudis drove out the Hashemites who were left with Transjordan & Iraq, courtesy of His Majesty's Govt, inter alia, and the Saudis set up a kingdom over most of Arabia, called the Kingdom of Nejd and Hijaz, later Saudi Arabia [1932]. Note how they gave the country their own dynastic name.<br /><br />Anyhow, Anon, what does this have to do with Arab-Nazi collaboration? Does it disprove it? Amin el-Husseini said that Islam and Nazism, National Socialism, had much in common. What does the rise of the Saud clan have to do with Husseini's Nazi sympathies?Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-46791869928523492082010-11-09T07:51:36.649+00:002010-11-09T07:51:36.649+00:00We have distinguished between Islam and Islamism, ...<i><b>We have distinguished between Islam and Islamism, but we have also insisted that it is naïve to assume that </b></i><br /><br />I don't think that right in fact the mixing and mangling of Islam to all terrorists acts by criminal bad gays, "Bad Apples" most wesetren propaganda point o Islam.<br /><br /><i><b>“direct line of descent from Amin al-Hussein and Hassan al-Banna through Gamal Abdel-Nasser to Osama bin Laden.” In fact, the rather embarrassing fact is that Küntzel’s analysis of al-Banna, Husseini, the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb and Islamism in general </b></i><br /><br />Fisr let take thing one by one<br /><br />Brotherhood party<br />Established In Iran supported by CIA and well know was one of US allay in Islamic word, Gamal Abdel-Nasser was very targeting them all the time, other state in Arab land was banded this party.<br /><br />As for Osama bin Laden he is a bread of Al-Wahhabi " Ahmed Bin Wahhab" the ally of Bin Saud and the founders for the Saudi kingdom as the Britt's support them and supply them with maps, info, money and weapons to expanded in Al-jazirah Al-Arab.<br /><br />This well documented history you can find many references to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-51017651826937407712010-11-09T07:35:44.000+00:002010-11-09T07:35:44.000+00:00there is very important issue none of those histor...there is very important issue none of those historians come to realized what Arab surfed from the capital punishment by Brittan, french and others for long years. that was the main factor why Arab was sided with German in first place, the hat they had for their invader and occupier of their land drove them to that direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-2867800284588891922010-11-08T20:59:48.481+00:002010-11-08T20:59:48.481+00:00So Achcar is scholarly --but only up to a point-- ...So Achcar is scholarly --but only up to a point-- then bigotry and the lies and hate kick in. Husseini was most certainly the leader of the palestinian Arabs after the Holocaust, after WW2. He spent about a year from 1945-46 in France under protected residence but was free to move about. The Big Four wartime allies, USA, UK, USSR, and France decided that he would not be tried as a war criminal at Nuremberg despite his having taken part in the Holocaust. The British trick was to not try him for treason although he was subject of the UK, that is, coming from a British-ruled territory. The UK said that colonial subjects would not be tried for treason. In fact, the Indian nationalist, Subhas Chandra Bose, who spent most of the war in Japan as a collaborator, was executed by the British in India for treason. But Husseini was not even tried. <br /><br />Then, against Achcar, Husseini was acclaimed as the leader of the palestinian Arabs after being allowed to go to Egypt from France [about May 1946]. <br />This trip to Egypt was falsely portrayed at the time as an "escape." Once in Egypt, Husseini was acclaimed as the leader in "palestine" and Egypt and Syria. He was the head of the Arab Higher Committee/Executive as Herf says. In this capacity, he led the Arabs until 1949 or 1950 when Arab rulers decided to put him in his place. It was 1951, as I recall, when he had King Abdullah of Jordan assassinated. Of course, there was a later effort to have him forgotten since he was an embarassment. But he was never totally forgotten and El-Peleg used books and articles that he published before his death for his book. El-Peleg's book is rather stupid, in my opinion, and I have read it thoroughly, but it has some information. <br /><br />It seems that Achcar does not quote Anwar Sadat's book, Revolt on the Nile, in which Sadat told of his and Nasser's wartime collaboration with the Nazis and expressed regret that the Germans had lost the war. Let's not forget Sadat's open letter to Hitler published in al-Musawwar about 1953<br />after Hitler was supposedly sighted in Patagonia, southern Argentina. <br /><br />Achcar much exaggerates the significance of the Arab liberals and Communists. The continuing importance of Arab nationalist parties and personalities shaped in the Nazi-fascist period is striking. Let's recall Nasser who expressed his sympathy for Nazi Germany as late as 1964, after years of alliance with the Communist Soviet Union. Then the Ba`ath Party which ruled in Iraq up to 2003 and still rules in Syria. It was modeled after the Nazi party, as Sami al-Jundi confirms out in the rest of Herf's article in The New Republic. Then there still is the Syrian National Socialist Party, sometimes misleadingly translated as "social nationalist party". The palestinian Arabs had their "Nazi scouts."<br /><br />Where I would disagree with Herf is his failure to point out [unless I missed it] that the Arab Communists did not oppose Stalin's pact with Hitler which made WW2 possible. The palestinian Arab communists and nationalists and Husseini's Islamists worked with the German Nazi Templars, in the 1939-1941 period, who had had several colonies or settlements in the Land of Israel from the 2nd half of the 19th century. These Templars were a channel for German money and weapons for the "Arab revolt" of the 1930s.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.com