tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post760852552717644069..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: It's not about competing narratives, Anshel!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-22433265346134640932011-05-31T18:38:38.621+01:002011-05-31T18:38:38.621+01:00I'm sure that there is a lot of truth in what ...I'm sure that there is a lot of truth in what you say, Silke. Assume a historian finds something in the Arab archives that the government does not like - his career would be blighted, or worse, they might put a contract out for him!<br /><br />If any good should come from the Arab Spring it is precisely that there is no freedom without truth.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-24070249584453015812011-05-31T18:31:34.830+01:002011-05-31T18:31:34.830+01:00but they are allowed into Israeli and other wester...but they are allowed into Israeli and other western archives while Israeli and/or western historians don't get access. <br /><br />I would need a historian to word the argument correctly but it would worth pursuing. Maybe historians are so reluctant to go for it (at least that's how it seems to me) because they are afraid that they'll be accused of writing Orientalism and/or Empire history. <br /><br />To a mere reader like myself however it seems like a fact that should be really widely known.Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-33022059359289423912011-05-31T18:16:39.160+01:002011-05-31T18:16:39.160+01:00I think Pfeffer like many journalists on the Left ...I think Pfeffer like many journalists on the Left has simply absorbed the Palestinian narrative. Of course there is an in-built distortion when one side's archives are freely accessible and the other side's are not. Historians in the Arab world are paid by the state to tell the approved version - otherwise they would not survive for very long.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-10782112958139455162011-05-31T17:14:00.376+01:002011-05-31T17:14:00.376+01:00That's why the Arab side has to falsify it.
a...<i>That's why the Arab side has to falsify it.</i><br /><br />and yes that's why MSM, the world, historians, everybody has to be told again and again that "they" have such a super-easy time at lying because their archives are inaccessible. <br /><br />It isn't an argument that will sweep the "masses" of their feet but it will sink in if made often enough with historians who to a man and a woman seem to hate closed archives.Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-64094448933886375322011-05-31T17:09:56.856+01:002011-05-31T17:09:56.856+01:00Forgot to add to my previous comments how absurd a...Forgot to add to my previous comments how absurd and inexplicable Feffer's argument is, unless he is pimping for his bosses at HaArets. That's because just a few days before Netanyahu went to Washington, & before Obama's speech meant to ambush him, Abbas, head of the PLO/PA had published an op ed in the NY Times full of historical lies. Netanyahu thought it important enough to issue a short statement of rebuttal, and also mentioned "distortions of history" in one of his speeches in DC, apparently referring to Abbas' op ed.<br /><br />At the link, none other than Benny Morris takes apart Abbas' lies about history. All this goes to show just how important history is to both sides. That's why the Arab side has to falsify it.<br /><br />http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/exposing-abbas-5335Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-35792709133214004652011-05-31T14:33:13.350+01:002011-05-31T14:33:13.350+01:00thanks Silke, I will post soon - yes, you assume c...thanks Silke, I will post soon - yes, you assume correct about AJbataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-4346067968836779722011-05-31T13:22:43.739+01:002011-05-31T13:22:43.739+01:00just as an addition:
an argument that I'd li...just as an addition: <br /><br />an argument that I'd like to read in talks about history more often is that Arabs have no claim to mouth off on history as long as practically all their archives deny access to historians.<br /><br />I first heard that from Michael Oren when he was on book tour and I have found it confirmed in other half sentences here and there quite a number of times. <br /><br />i.e. the Arabs keep their records from the world's eyes but at the same time claim that their reading of history is the correct one. <br /><br />As best I know Israeli records open or remain closed by the same standard other civilized nations around the world apply.Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-47552265357389589992011-05-31T12:48:41.304+01:002011-05-31T12:48:41.304+01:00There is so much wrong with, so much ignorance und...There is so much wrong with, so much ignorance underlying Pfeffer's arguments. For instance, he claims:<br /><br />"Pfeffer:"The problem with Holocaust overuse is that it moves the focus from the present to history and allows all sides to the argument to get in on the game."<br />In fact it is precisely the Arabs and their allies who have been harping on history, false history, for many years. The so-called "palestinian narrative" is based on whole series of Arab lies, one piled on top of the other or adjacent to the other. In recent years, not satisfied with falsifying the Arab Holocaust record, nor the truth of the Israeli War of Independence [1947-1949], nor with the myth of Arab-Muslim tolerance for Jews, they now go back to ancient times and deny that there ever were Jews in the Land of Israel, or ever were Jewish kingdoms there [here]. The Arabs [especially the so-called "palestinians"] chose History as their battlefield, aided by general Jewish ignorance of Jewish history. It is stupid --indeed dangerous-- to give up on that battlefield which will then be swamped with Arab historical lies delegitimizing Israel and all Jews!!<br /><br />"When Netanyahu cites the six million, he is giving credence to the Palestinian claim that they were those made to suffer for the genocide of the Jews in Europe. He is directly bolstering the Nakba claims."<br />The obvious answer here is that the Arab nationalists of the time were mainly pro-Nazi and the "palestinian" Mufti Husseini collaborated in the Holocaust in Europe, while advocating its extension to Arab lands.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttp://ziontruth.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-48192626298576084982011-05-31T11:51:01.694+01:002011-05-31T11:51:01.694+01:00OT but I guess that since it is in your "line...OT but I guess that since it is in your "line of business" you don't want to miss it - so just making sure<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/books/review/book-review-sacred-trash-the-lost-and-found-world-of-the-cairo-geniza-by-adina-hoffman-and-peter-cole.html?ref=review<br /><br />The Secret Life of Cairo’s Jews<br />By ANTHONY JULIUS<br />Published: May 27, 2011<br /><br />(I assume it is the same Anthony Julius who wrote that much discussed book about English anti-semitism)Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.com