tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post6375690410121456311..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: How coexistence projects can hinder peaceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-43937626018622717082011-12-01T09:56:30.181+00:002011-12-01T09:56:30.181+00:00The point the anonymous commenter made shows how t...The point the anonymous commenter made shows how the Arabs are further trying to conflate their narrative in 1948 with the Nazi genocide. You say you agree, but you are still using such a word.<br /><br />I do not believe we need a buzz word, why would we need a 'word'? We are simply talking about the ethnic cleansing of Jews. That is what it is, and that is all it is.Droidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03334248228007162212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-60277243288074436412011-11-29T15:00:58.069+00:002011-11-29T15:00:58.069+00:00The Palestinians first used the word Nakba to prot...The Palestinians first used the word Nakba to protest against the forcible separation of south syria (Palestine ) from Syria in the 1920s! So the word is a lot more flexible than Shoah.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-9442985453543146812011-11-29T12:32:25.473+00:002011-11-29T12:32:25.473+00:00It is interesting, was the term Nakba first used b...It is interesting, was the term Nakba first used by the Palestinians after the term Shoah was used to describe the Holocaust? They both mean catastrophe of course. It would make sense to use the term "Shoah" but adding on top of it a term to describe Jews from Arab countries.<br /><br />Also, can we please differentiate between Arabs and Muslims.<br /><br />Lastly, Eliyahu - coexistence projects are funded by more than the US and Western governments and foundations, there are plenty of Jews around the world who give funds directly to coexistence projects in Israel and not through New Israel Fund.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-31889785257508217662011-11-28T09:09:13.595+00:002011-11-28T09:09:13.595+00:00I agree with everything you say but can you sugges...I agree with everything you say but can you suggest a better word?bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-73610255191988250952011-11-27T23:19:16.889+00:002011-11-27T23:19:16.889+00:00The "Nakba" represents our survival in A...The "Nakba" represents our survival in Arab war of genocide that was declared on us, a war which we did not want to fight and were loudly trying to stop (see declaration of independece). Using this word is an attempt to ligitimise false grieveinces and false claims that the Jews were agressors and ethnically clensed Arabs in 1948. This is further underlined by your ridiculous use of the term "Jewish Nakba", which conflats the true story of ethnic clensing of Jews throughout the Arab world with the false story of the ethnic clensing of Arabs by Israel in the 1948 war. Shame, shame, shame on you.Droidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03334248228007162212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-73643936193422872882011-11-25T11:57:55.443+00:002011-11-25T11:57:55.443+00:00Sylvia and Levana, you are both very clear minded ...Sylvia and Levana, you are both very clear minded and see things as they are and not as they seem to be!!!<br />If one day ARabs accept us as their equals,and no longer say el Yahoud, then it will get better. But the older generation will be long gone!!! and yes, it will take several generations for both peace and mutual respect<br />sultana latifa<br />Shabbat Salom<br />once, I lived in EgyptAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-71284004540678793822011-11-24T21:14:31.097+00:002011-11-24T21:14:31.097+00:00Anonymous
Making peace in the Middle East takes d...Anonymous<br /><br />Making peace in the Middle East takes different forms and is called different names depending who is the other partner (the first partner always being a Muslim, or a Muslim-dominated group).<br />1. "Sulha" takes place only between equals. Muslims do not consider anyone from another faith an equal.There can be "sulha" between 2 warrying Muslim families (in Abu Gosh for example) or between 2 Bedouin tribes.<br /><br />2. All you can have between Israelis and Palestinians is "tahdyia" which is a temporary truce lasting a maximum of 10 years or sometimes longer if the Muslim side still doesn't feel strong enough.<br /><br />3. The rules that governed (and still govern in countries where there are Jews still living) the relations between Jews and the Muslim dominant society are much more complex. The only way coexistence was possible was if NONE of the sides mentioned the last horror ever again.<br />First, that would be depicting Islam in a negative way.<br />Second, contrary to the Western way where you tend to discuss that about which you do not agree, in Muslim society the way to peaceful dialogue is to NOT mention that which divides. And how can you agree to anything in those circumstances? <br /><br />I believe - and I wrote this here more than once - that we are still in a psychologically induced state of voluntary servitude in relation to our former countries, although the bout of rage might just be one insult away. I think it'll take a few generations.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-44083533735345246782011-11-24T18:36:27.402+00:002011-11-24T18:36:27.402+00:00Il n'y a pas de pire aveugles que ceux qui ne ...Il n'y a pas de pire aveugles que ceux qui ne veulent pas voir. Israel ne veut pas reconnaitre que les Juifs des Pays arabes sont des refugies. Nous sommes des Olims Hadashim, de nouveaux emigrants... Le Holauste, a part la tragedie humaine, est pour l'Etat d'Israel une VACHE LAITIERE a perpetuite. Ils en sont deja a la troisieme generation...et qui aurait dit ? Ils reconnaissent maintenant les juifs du Maroc, de Tunisie, de la Lybie. Donc patience, car un jour cette vache laitiere n'aura plus de lait, et c'est alors que viendra notre tour, celui des Refugies Juifs des pays Arabes... Inshallah !<br />Levana - IsraelLevananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-24316604017718202982011-11-24T16:17:35.039+00:002011-11-24T16:17:35.039+00:00There's a lot to say about this essay. To star...There's a lot to say about this essay. To start, we ought to realize that most of these "peace-cum-reconciliation" exercises are sponsored by Western govts and Western instituions, directly or indirectly. One channel for funding such "peace and love" meetings is the New Israel Fund, funded in turn by the Ford Foundation, and financing all sorts of "peace" groups, "human rights" groups, etc. The European Union is another source of funding as are many of the EU member states, working through a long series of "non-profit" organizations and NGOs based in Israel. The various goody goody groups operating in the name of peace and human rights etc. basically follow the agenda of their Western sponsors, although the rhetoric may seem very bold and radical, indeed extreme. Not what you would usually think of as bourgeois. Yet these NGOs work for the purposes of Western states and bodies [inc. the EU]. These same Western states --shall we say simply, "the West"?-- has a nearly 2000 year history of Judeophobia and persecution and oppression of Jews. So it is only natural for their "peace and human rights" agencies in Israel to reflect their traditional prejudices, however disguised in radical rhetoric. Hence, the palestinian Arabs must be seen as innocent, just as Jesus, allegedly crucified by Jews, according to Western tradition, is seen as innocent. The palestinian Arabs are widely seen as or felt to be a collective Jesus for many in the West. By the way, the new president of Ireland seems to think like that. <br /><br />So it would be highly unlikely that the agenda of "peace and human rights" groups funded by Western bodies would ever change as Lyn Julius would like to see them change. They are part of the problem.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-54523463675274026232011-11-24T10:32:58.409+00:002011-11-24T10:32:58.409+00:00I do not think the Jewish "dismembering"...I do not think the Jewish "dismembering" will ever be recognised by Arabs because then it would mean that they have to pay compensation!!!<br /><br /><br />Furthermore as we are dispersed all over the globe it is certainly not easy to unite and act coherently<br /><br />third : we are now white-haired and getting older<br />all we long for is a quiet life.<br /><br />I, for my part, can never forgive what was done to us.<br />sultana latifaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-22117854500950062312011-11-24T09:45:23.841+00:002011-11-24T09:45:23.841+00:00You seem to worry that the rights of Jews from Ara...You seem to worry that the rights of Jews from Arab countries will be bargained away in a peace deal. I don't think this will happen - the thinking now is that claims on both sides will not cancel each other out, but an international fund will compensate ALL individual refugees.<br />From the discussions we've had a number of times on this blog, I know a lot of people are unhappy with the word Nakba as applied to the Jewish catastrophe, but it is used here, as the author says, 'for want of a better expression'.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-64206371824794244252011-11-24T09:29:16.593+00:002011-11-24T09:29:16.593+00:00I am in full agreement with the author that these ...I am in full agreement with the author that these important facts should not be brushed under the carpet, but to aim the problem at coexistence projects, seems to be pushing solely a political angle. <br /><br />The conversation is not part of coexistence projects simply because this information is not accorded significance by the mainstream Jewish establishment (including both right and left). <br /><br />It is true that the right has focussed on this only in recent years seemingly to counterbalance Palestinian refugee want of "right of return", but while it is imperative for this to be part of the conversation, do we want this important history to be merely used for political gains? What is needed, as the young Palestinian suggests is a "sulha" not only between the Israelis and Palestinians, but also between the Arab world and Jews from Arab countries, no matter where they are and what their Middle East stance. <br /><br />It also seems the term Jewish "naqba", is so politically loaded that it does disservice to the cause. While some might argue it is a word, it is a word that has been appropriated by Palestinians.<br />By using "their" word, we discredit their own difficult history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com