tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post5900501719782922814..comments2024-03-29T11:39:42.348+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: BBC on Jewish refugees: opportunity or stitch-up?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-63635649211199873012008-06-28T07:23:00.000+01:002008-06-28T07:23:00.000+01:00See post above'The BBC distorts Jewish refugees is...See post above'The BBC distorts Jewish refugees issue on website."bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-90788470501086366132008-06-28T00:30:00.000+01:002008-06-28T00:30:00.000+01:00I would suggest that you look at the BBC news webs...I would suggest that you look at the BBC news website article on the Jewish refugees. Half the article is devoted to a matter of fact description of the group but the other half is given over to their distinctly Arab sounding middle east correspondent who posits a half dozen excuses for minimizing the Jewish exodus (While at the same time obviously trying to contrast it with the version of the "Palestinian" exodus so beloved of those on the far left) I think to paraphrase his argument would be "The Jews had it coming to them". At any rate I have officially complained to the BBC about this terrible and bigoted lapse in what is left of their Journalistic standards but if you want the truth it seems that the Middle East section has been throughly taken over by those who see Israel in only one light and not a good one at thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-14059985834860731992008-06-26T13:03:00.000+01:002008-06-26T13:03:00.000+01:00Malka Hillel Shulewitz, ed., The Forgotten Million...Malka Hillel Shulewitz, ed., The Forgotten Millions -- see article by Yaakov Meron, "The Expulsion of the Jews from the Arab Countries."<BR/><BR/>I would refer both Mr David Matas and Mr Douek to this article.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-57813012173528436912008-06-26T12:03:00.000+01:002008-06-26T12:03:00.000+01:00I listened to the BBC discussion. David Matas is a...I listened to the BBC discussion. David Matas is a very poor spokesman, in my view. He did not mention the long history of oppression of Jews in Arab-Muslim lands in the status of dhimmis. Nor did he mention the premeditated Arab design to expel Jews from Arab lands in order to confiscate their property, etc. [see discussion in Malka Shulevitz's book, Forgotten Millions]. Nobody mentioned the 1941 Farhud in Iraq, neither Matas nor Ben Dor. Then, there was a gentleman, born in Egypt, now living in Britain, who thought that things were fine before 1947. He's right that Greeks, Armenians, and other "non-Egyptians" were persecuted in those years. But years before 1947, the Muslim Brotherhood was agitating against Jews, the Free Officers group was collaborating with the Nazis, etc. Mr Douek is unaware of the history, and perhaps naive. He should study more history. <BR/><BR/>The discussion about Morocco was simplistic since no one mentioned that Morocco was under French control until the mid-1950s, so Arab persecution of Jews could not take on full force before then. Judging from the Judeophobic attitudes of Moroccan immigrants to Europe, the Jews got out of there not a moment too soon. A Mr Levy said that Jews in Morocco were attached to Arab and Berber tribes in order to perform certain professions. This is simply too mild a description of reality. The Jews' status with these tribes was a state of humiliation, described as serf-like in some accounts. As for the "professions" that they performed, one may assume that they were not any prestigious occupation. <BR/><BR/>By the way, a neighbor in my building had her parents still living in Morocco until about 1995-96. They then came to Israel to join their children. I don't hear any eagerness from my Moroccan neighbors to go back there.<BR/><BR/> On the whole, the program on bbc may be seen as a beginning but not an especially aurpicious one.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-24411278647142993192008-06-22T20:26:00.000+01:002008-06-22T20:26:00.000+01:00Eliahu - you can listen to the programme (see link...Eliahu - you can listen to the programme (see link) over the next seven daysbataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-23000536045415906312008-06-22T09:33:00.000+01:002008-06-22T09:33:00.000+01:00bataween, you smelled a rat. And knowing the bbc f...bataween, you smelled a rat. And knowing the bbc from watching and listening to bbc radio, I think that it was entirely reasonable for you to be suspicious of anything that the bbc plans. The fact that they picked a very non-representative "expert" to appear on the show, instead of somebody like Sylvia Haim or Martin Gilbert or Moshe Sharon or spokesmen for WOJAC or similar bodies demonstrates their basic hostility to Jews. I note that a David Matas is supposed to represent WOJAC. But why is the issue treated in an adversarial manner with Ben Dor's position being given numerical equality with that of Matas??? Why isn't there simply a panel of experts who may have somewhat different views but are not diametrically opposed?? And if someone should be there to defend the reputation of the Arabs/Arab states on this issue, then why not an Arab League spokesman instead of a "post-Zionist" Israeli??? Can't Arabs speak for themselves, or is Ben Dor's presence meant to depress the Jews?? And why does it seem that Ben Dor's participation was hidden and only reluctantly admitted?? <BR/><BR/>yet, I did not listen to the program. Could you give a brief report on it on Point of No Returj??<BR/><BR/>by the way, the bbc reported the Holocaust late and reluctantly. This was becuse of UK govt policy. See link:<BR/><BR/>http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2006/05/british-governmental-guidance-of.htmlEliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-53192777274887323662008-06-21T14:12:00.000+01:002008-06-21T14:12:00.000+01:00To the BBC question WHY NOW, the answer is so simp...To the BBC question WHY NOW, the answer is so simple. When my parents were expelled from Egypt, with just one suitcase per person and 20 pounds, their whole world coollapsing in a few hours, it was too much of a trauma. They had to struggle in exile, to begin their life from zero, to raise their children, to give them adequate education, etc. etc. etc. Many courageous men of that generation, died from a broken heart. As for us, the younger generation, we had to prove ourself in a new country, to cope, to assimilate, to forget our past as oriental Jews, which at that time was not a privileged status nowhere. Hearing about the Shoah, we felt a shame to talk about our miseries, as enormous as they could be. That is WHY NOT THEN. But today, that young generation is not young anymore, and we are looking back to our past, and we know. We want the whole world to know too.<BR/>LevanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com