tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post4604375768758385943..comments2024-03-29T11:39:42.348+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Ayalon refutes Arab press allegations on refugees Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-3742891188437337052012-08-18T22:07:28.860+01:002012-08-18T22:07:28.860+01:00Thanx, Sylvia. I always wondered why Faruqi was mu...Thanx, Sylvia. I always wondered why Faruqi was murdered in a comfortable suburb of Philadelphia. This info is important because the wiki article on Faruqi and other Internet accounts of his death mention possible "political" motives for the murder, which naturally leads people to blame Jews and/or Israel.<br /><br />He did hate Jews.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-73204100157011279632012-08-17T18:46:13.706+01:002012-08-17T18:46:13.706+01:00Eliyahu
I understood the point you were making.
...<br />Eliyahu<br /><br />I understood the point you were making.<br /><br />I guess I should have warned "slight OT on slight OT" but that scholar was not just a comparative religion professor and not just a Palestinian in the employ of the British: he was also an islamization theoricist and implementer for the Muslim Brotherhood. More importantly, he was one of the first organizers of Muslim-Christian dialogue as we know it today.<br /><br />His statements come from islamic theology according to the brotherhood no matter how pleasantly they are wrapped.<br />What I am saying is that in the statement you quoted there is a contradiction.<br /><br />PS: There was a conviction and the murderer, a "new Muslim" American, died while awaiting execution on death row.<br /><br />http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/archives/10002562-khalid-duran-%E2%80%93-excerpt-homosexuality-and-islam.htmlSylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-21129374890312224872012-08-17T16:09:21.929+01:002012-08-17T16:09:21.929+01:00Sylvia, this was not just anybody who wrote those ...Sylvia, this was not just anybody who wrote those words. It was Ismail Faruqi who had a particularly favored career. When he was still in his 20s, the British appointed him to a job in their administration in the Land of Israel. Then in 1945 or 1946, still in his 20s, they made the district governor of the Galilee. This is a good demonstration of British favoritism for the Arabs in Israel under the mandate. He left the country in 1948 and became at various times a lecturer and professor at various Western universities, such as at Temple U in Philadelphia where he was teaching when murdered. That murder is still a mystery but there may have been some involvement by fellow Muslims, even students at the University.<br /><br />Anyhow, if anybody questions whether the British really were pro-Arab in Israel during the mandate, the favor enjoyed by Faruqi is one good argument among many.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-12084963048831912622012-08-17T15:33:01.665+01:002012-08-17T15:33:01.665+01:00This was in a nutshell but I could develop this to...This was in a nutshell but I could develop this topic to include quotes if someone is interested.<br /><br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-81326449455614877842012-08-17T15:14:25.875+01:002012-08-17T15:14:25.875+01:00"The shari'ah, the law of Islam, demands ..."The shari'ah, the law of Islam, demands of all Jews to submit themselves to the precepts of Jewish law as interpreted by the rabbinic courts, and treats defiance or contempt of the rabbinic court as rebellion against the Islamic state itself, on a par with like action on the part of a Muslim vis-à-vis the Islamic court.'""<br /><br />This was the case in Christendom as well. In Medieval (Christian Spain) State law was permitted to put to death Jewish renegades (those who reject their Rabbinic law, not those who converted). In the days of Spinoza he was a pariah both in Judaism and Christianity. <br />In Islam, according to some contemporary Islamist scholars, Jewish renegades must be killed. <br /><br />The issue of "combating secularism" as common Muslim-Christian concern that Muslims wanted to introduce into the dialogue with the Vatican just a few years ago, which is part of that same worldview, has passed unnoticed, but they brought it up precisely because they identified that same feature in (Medieval) Christianity. They dropped it because of the Catholic Church's opposition (that would mean alienating the nominal Christians), but it was not dropped from Islamic theology. <br /><br />This is what the person you're quoting is probably referring to, but the problem is that he is pitting Judaism against Zionism, when in fact Zionism (as we - Sephardim understand the concept and not as the Muslim scholar or many Israelis understand it) is one of the 613 Mitzvot and therefore part of Judaism. <br /><br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-85183569203881407922012-08-17T12:32:43.314+01:002012-08-17T12:32:43.314+01:00I should add that the summary of al-Faruqi's v...I should add that the summary of al-Faruqi's views on Jews and Israel comes from wikipedia [in the article on him], but nevertheless it seems reliable to me.<br /><br />What astounds me is how these clowns, both the Arabs and their Western and Jewish apologists, can deny that the Jews were refugees with a straight face. <br /><br />BTW, Prof. Michael Laskier, now of Bar Ilan Univ, I think, wrote an article: 88. Michael M. Laskier, “Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands” in the Encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East, ed. by Richard Bulliet.<br />I did not read that article but have read some of his articles specifically on how the Jews were driven out of Egypt, step by step. So the claim that these people were not refugees is totally absurd, as far as I'm concerned.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-8689492486805721942012-08-17T12:14:35.601+01:002012-08-17T12:14:35.601+01:00slightly o/t
Here is what seems to be a fairly obj...slightly o/t<br />Here is what seems to be a fairly objective summary of the views of a Palestinian Arab Muslim intellectual on Israel and the place of Jews in the Islamic state. Ismail al-Faruqi was a professor of comparative religion at Temple University in Philadelphia, USA.<br /><br />"al-Faruqi viewed the existence of Israel as an affront towards the religion of Judaism due to its state ideology of Zionism. He said that the injustice caused by Zionism is such as to necessitate war. He proposed a resolution in which Israel is dismantled and its institutions de-Zionised; and that former Israeli Jews who have renounced Zionism would live as an “ummatic community” and move freely throughout the Muslim world: '[Islam] requires the Jews to set up their own rabbinic courts and put its whole executive power at its disposal. The shari'ah, the law of Islam, demands of all Jews to submit themselves to the precepts of Jewish law as interpreted by the rabbinic courts, and treats defiance or contempt of the rabbinic court as rebellion against the Islamic state itself, on a par with like action on the part of a Muslim vis-à-vis the Islamic court.'" [1]Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.com