tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post3732239709952758219..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Jewish refugee debate hots up in FrenchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-67974319674241110582012-09-26T23:51:43.862+01:002012-09-26T23:51:43.862+01:00Here's the link to the HuffWatch site. BTW, th...Here's the link to the HuffWatch site. BTW, there is now an Italian huffpost site , in addition to the French one.<br /><br />http://huff-watch.blogspot.co.il/<br /><br />As to refugees, I think that somebody who is driven out of the country where he is living, with his property confiscated, suffering abuse on the way, is rightly regarded as a refugee, although various international lawyers draw up all sorts of legalistic definitions to include some as refugees and others not. <br />Ashrawi's hair-splitting conflicts with the UN definition, although you can probably finds international lawyers arguing all sorts of definitions, especially if they are politically convenient. Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-86543748032227223492012-09-26T23:24:05.345+01:002012-09-26T23:24:05.345+01:00Clearly, Derfner went off the deep end. But in ben...Clearly, Derfner went off the deep end. But in benighted Europe, people don't know that or may share his ignorance and prejudices. So he can write in the French version of Huffpost and get away with his absurdities. Huffpost has been shown up to be an anti-Israeli website, although they do post pro-Israel, pro-Jewish articles, usually in inconspicuous places.<br /><br />But on Derfner's absurdities. He has accepted the absurd definition of refugee offered by ashrawi, a known Arab propagandist. Her definition --also accepted by HaArets' Gidon Levy, if I'm not mistaken-- is a self-serving artifact of the PLO & Hamas. It contradicts all previous definitions, as well as the UN's own official definition. <br /><br />Looking through the book by Robert Salomon, Les Refugies [Paris: PUF 1963], I find that there were French refugees who fled northern France, then under German attack in June 1941, for safer parts of the country. Those people were refugees within their own country, <i>dans leur propre patrie</i>. <br /><br />Now what about those Arabs kept in refugee settlements in Area A of the Palestinian Authority zones? Are they within their "homeland" "palestine" or not? Is "palestine" not supposed to be their homeland? If so, how can they still be called "refugees"?<br /><br />Now why would Jews want to go back to countries like Algeria, Libya, Iraq, or Yemen, etc?? They were subject to oppressive, exploitative Muslim laws, the dhimma, although some of them became prosperous. But even a Jew of high rank, like Hayim Farhi, minister to Jazzar Pasha who ruled southern Lebanon & the Galilee, was subject to cruel treatment by the ruler whom he served. [Jazzar Pasha had his nose cut off.]. No doubt other officials of Jazzar Pasha were abused at some point, which might seem to justify ashrawi's hypocritical that some Arab states were tyrannies when the Jews left and all of the population suffered from them. However, she dishonestly neglects to point out that Jews and other subject peoples in Arab-Muslim states [& Muslim states generally] suffered under the abovementioned dhimma laws which made them inferiors with the Islamic state, subjecting them to all sorts of abuse, oppression, monetary exploitation etc, not only from tyrannical rulers but from the ordinary Muslim populace.<br /><br />Prof Norman Stillman, whose wife was from Morocco, mentions that he was visiting there to see his wife's family in the 1970s or 1980s, and a small group of Arab young boys recognized him as a Jew and stoned him. So the problem was not only with ruling tyrants.<br /><br />Moreover, Muslims have a special definition of tyrants. A ruler who did not make jihad on the kufar, the harbis, and who prvented others from doing so, would be regarded as a tyrant.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-18517252300533662302012-09-25T16:38:13.450+01:002012-09-25T16:38:13.450+01:00I am uninterested in what Derfner says. He's t...I am uninterested in what Derfner says. He's the former Jpost 'columnist' who came out in favor of violent attacks on Jews in his column. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com