tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post2717883460143727287..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Bashkin stresses tales of Farhud rescueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-26349280104464555892014-06-20T19:12:58.259+01:002014-06-20T19:12:58.259+01:00Some, particularly those who fought with the Alger...Some, particularly those who fought with the Algerian revolution, were both nationalists and communists. They wanted both to belong and be counted as equals, so they didn't see nationalist and communist as mutually exclusive either. <br /><br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-886314082118143912014-06-20T19:02:52.327+01:002014-06-20T19:02:52.327+01:00It is a 972mag translation of a Hebrew article pub...It is a 972mag translation of a Hebrew article published in Cafe Gibraltar, a site mostly about culture and mostly run by Sephardim. <br /><br />972Mag occasionaly translates a"Mizrahi" article here and there from them and from Haoketz, a socially oriented Mizrahi site, to appear pluralistic and humor some of their donors.<br /><br />All 972mag writers are Ashkenazim with a few Palestinians.<br /><br />http://cafe-gibraltar.com/2014/06/farhud/<br />Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-6314068931387122832014-06-20T14:02:41.739+01:002014-06-20T14:02:41.739+01:00Bataween, I think that not only being a zionist an...Bataween, I think that not only being a zionist and a supporter of the local nationalism was not mutually exclusive, it was even mainstream. For the few Jewish political activists it may have been more of a problem - even though there are examples of such people, like Salman Shina whom I mentioned before, who was both a Zionist activist and an Iraqi patriot who served in the Iraqi Parliament in 1947-1951 - but if we talk about the average Iraqi Jew of the 40's and 50's, I think its safe to say they were both Iraqi patriots and big sympathizers with the Jewish Yishuv in Eretz Israel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-6893830371409883952014-06-20T14:00:29.715+01:002014-06-20T14:00:29.715+01:00Now about the Arab Iraqi elites and the possibilit...Now about the Arab Iraqi elites and the possibility of serious Jewish resistance, she does not mention that the Rashid Ali al-Gaylani government was working closely with German representatives and that the Golden Square of officers were pro-Nazi for years before 1941, without needing the mufti to encourage them.<br /><br />Moreover, the Mufti Husseini told a formation of the Bosnian Muslim SS division that there was much similarity between National Socialism and Islam. So for him, it was not merely an opportunistic alliance against the British.<br /><br />Now if we put the Farhud into historical perspective can we see parallels in the last 55 years to that event in 1941? Why are Sunnis and Shiites massacring each other? Why did Muslim Iraqis cheer the Assyrian massacre in 1933?Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-71768977667597338352014-06-20T13:49:26.102+01:002014-06-20T13:49:26.102+01:00Note that the pogromists were not refined progress...Note that the pogromists were not refined progressive Arab intellectuals but the lumpenproletariat ("a mob of" this and that). Class conscious progressive Arabs in the mixed neighborhoods saved Jews. She doesn't use the Commie terminology but the thinking is there. <br /><br />Then she writes how well Jews fit into Arab culture and society, as if there were no history of Ottoman massacres of Armenians, of the Iraqi massacre of Assyrians in 1933 (which was welcomed enthusiastically by the Baghdad mob), no history of the dhimmi status of Jews and all non-Muslims, etc.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-89496102578484987812014-06-20T13:38:13.722+01:002014-06-20T13:38:13.722+01:00The fact that 972 published an article acknowledgi...The fact that 972 published an article acknowledging the Farhud --albeit she chooses to cite the low estimate of 180 murdered instead of Elie Kedourie's figure of 600-- can be seen as a victory of sorts for our side. The claim of total Arab innocence is not made.<br /><br />Of course, the facts have to be forced into a formula, an old formula used in bygone days for other pogroms and massacres of Jews in other places and at other times. This was a formula often used by Communists and fellow-travelers. More on that ... . . .Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-25250824597678999592014-06-20T13:13:00.412+01:002014-06-20T13:13:00.412+01:00"But Bashkin falls into a familiar pattern of..."But Bashkin falls into a familiar pattern of emphasising those Muslim neighbours who saved Jews, while barely mentioning those who joined in the slaughter and looting."<br /><br />Had she not, it would never have been published by +972.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-7563459441183364682014-06-20T13:07:52.383+01:002014-06-20T13:07:52.383+01:00+972Rag is only slightly less antisemitic than Ham...+972Rag is only slightly less antisemitic than Hamas. So you have to understand what her audience is.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-73457819496007788802014-06-20T13:06:36.932+01:002014-06-20T13:06:36.932+01:00I think you are correct that to be a nationalist a...I think you are correct that to be a nationalist and a zionist were not mutually exclusive. One can point to the example of Leon Castro in Egypt - secretary of the Wafd nationalist party and at the same time a Zionist. bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-25668885493619905412014-06-20T11:56:32.353+01:002014-06-20T11:56:32.353+01:00I didn't have the oppotunity yet to read Bashk...I didn't have the oppotunity yet to read Bashkin's book, but I did read her M.A. thesis about the Iraqi-Jewish newspaper "Al-Masbah" (ha-menorah). Already there its obvious she has a strong bias and apologetic for what she (and nissim kazaz) called the "Iraqi orientation". <br /><br />She seems to think that being an Iraqi nationalist is contradicting with being a Zionist, which may be true today, but was absolutely not true in the eyes of the subjects of her research. In fact the average not-politically active Iraqi Jew of the 40's and 50's was both. In her disccussion whether or not al-masbah was a Zionist newspaper she conclluded it wasn't, even though the overwhelming evidences she herself presents that it was. Even though the owner of the newspaper (Salman Shina) wrote in real time that his porpuse in publishing the newspaper was to recruit support for the Jewish national cause. It's very clear where her sympathy lies and this effects her concllusion dramatically. <br /><br />The same is true about the Farhud. Her writing is extremely apologetic. It's good to point out there were cases of Iraqi Muslims saving Jews. There are always such cases in hours of pogroms and massacres. But she diverts the attention to this as a mean to be apologetic about the all event. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com