tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post1780561981079663005..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: Passing the Buck on the bad boys of footballUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-64748360523562989602010-01-15T14:42:46.058+00:002010-01-15T14:42:46.058+00:00http://arabism-islamism.webs.com
The twin fascism...http://arabism-islamism.webs.com<br /><br />The twin fascisms that causes most massacres, wars, "conflicts" today:<br /><br />Arabism is racism (Arab racism)<br />Millions upon Millions are/became victims of Arabism which is the worst current form of racism in its gigantic proportions, like: Kurds Jews (not just in Israel...) Berbers (the real natives of North Africa), Africans (noty just in the genocide in the Sudan & in Egypt on native Nubians by Arab invaders - till today), Persians, etc.<br /><br />Islamism is bigotry (Islamofascism)!<br />The Islamic supremacy that "works" towards its vision of "final Islamic domination on the entire planet", from Middle east to Africa from Asia to Eurabia, from terrorism & massacres in multiple countries (like: Thailand Phillipines, China, Indonesia, USA, France, Kenya, Tanzania, Russia, Tunisia, Morocco Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon India, Israel, UK, etc.) to propaganda, <br /><br />Let's face it! that entire war on Israel & the Jews since the 1920's by their facsist Mufti Haj Amin Al-Husseini who started the "genocide campaign" [and continues by the children/grand children of Arab immigrants into Israel - Palestine - now convenienently called "palestinians"] in a clear outlined declaration to 'kill all Jews' is out of pure Arab Muslim bigotry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-27245277558109522382010-01-06T08:15:22.632+00:002010-01-06T08:15:22.632+00:00Yits'haq Navon was one of Ben Gurion's rig...Yits'haq Navon was one of Ben Gurion's right hand men, and his secretary at one time. So he was close to the center of power. Note that he was nominated for president by the Labor Party <i>after</i> Begin had become prime minister.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-40375610894568543512010-01-06T08:11:35.387+00:002010-01-06T08:11:35.387+00:00Yits'haq Navon's grandfather or great-gran...Yits'haq Navon's grandfather or great-grandfather back in the 19th century [Joseph Navon] was already prominent and wealthy in Jerusalem. He built --as a contractor-- the railroad to Jerusalem from Yafo on the coast.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-17649869763241395952010-01-06T07:08:02.919+00:002010-01-06T07:08:02.919+00:00Dear IO,
You are right, Yitzhak Navon makes two p...Dear IO, <br />You are right, Yitzhak Navon makes two presidents, but he is Sephardi (tahor) not Mizrahi, as you say.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-74110130016927526882010-01-06T00:38:29.512+00:002010-01-06T00:38:29.512+00:00Bataween places the gradually-disappearing Ashkena...Bataween places the gradually-disappearing Ashkenazi-Mizrahi divide in proper context.<br /><br />It is, further, the business only of Israelis, to discuss and resolve equitably in Hebrew within Israel.<br /><br />It is disappointing that both foreigners and Mizrahim have too often fallen for this device.Independent Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-82510361129323085582010-01-06T00:34:37.008+00:002010-01-06T00:34:37.008+00:00Bataween, have there not been two Sephardi-Mizrahi...Bataween, have there not been <i>two</i> Sephardi-Mizrahi Presidents - Moshe Katsav and Yitzhak Navon?Independent Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-46885613005614013462010-01-04T13:36:35.441+00:002010-01-04T13:36:35.441+00:00Bataween, I don't read the FT regularly, altho...Bataween, I don't read the FT regularly, although when I read it years ago I was impressed with its high quality. That seems to have been lost. I myself posted on what I saw as FT censorship of historian Simon Schama. <br /><br />http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/british-press-censors-historical-truth.htmlEliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-84107765445996847162010-01-04T13:25:52.806+00:002010-01-04T13:25:52.806+00:00As you say, Eliyahu, the British have nothing to b...As you say, Eliyahu, the British have nothing to be proud of when it comes to football hooliganism. In fact they practically invented it. Some teams have terrible reputations, eg Millwall. Historically the Glasgow teams of Celtic and Rangers were always at each other's throats: Celtic never recruited Protestant players and Rangers never Catholic, though this has changed recently.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-91781720714220091972010-01-04T13:22:54.147+00:002010-01-04T13:22:54.147+00:00Here is a blurb for a new book by historian Isaiah...Here is a blurb for a new book by historian Isaiah Friedman, <i>British Pan-Arab Policy, 1915-1922</i>. I don't agree with every point that Friedman makes, according to this blurb. But I agree that British policy contributed to Jewish-Arab conflict.<br /><br />"In this myth-shattering study, Isaiah Friedman provides a new perspective on events in the Middle East during World War I and its aftermath. He shows that British officials in Cairo mistakenly assumed that the Arabs would rebel against Turkey and welcome the British as deliverers. Sharif (later king) Hussein did rebel, but not for nationalistic motives as is generally presented in historiography. Early in the war he simultaneously negotiated with the British and the Turks but, after discovering that the Turks intended to assassinate him, finally sided with the British. There was no Arab Revolt in the Fertile Crescent. It was mainly the soldiers of Britain, the Commonwealth, and India that overthrew the Ottoman rule, not the Arabs. Both T.E. Lawrence ('Lawrence of Arabia') and Sir Mark Sykes hoped to revive the Arab nation and build a new Middle East. They courted disappointment: the Arabs resented the encroachment of European Powers and longed for the return of the Turks. Emir Feisal too became an exponent of Pan-Arabism and a proponent of the 'United Syria' scheme. It was supported by the British Military Administration who wished thereby to eliminate the French from Syria. British officers were antagonistic to Zionism as well and were responsible for the anti-Jewish riots in Jerusalem in April 1920. During the twenties, unlike the Hussein family and their allies, the peasants (fellaheen), who constituted the majority of the Arab population in Palestine, were not inimical towards the Zionists. They maintained that 'progress and prosperity lie in the path of brotherhood' between Arabs and Jews and regarded Jewish immigration and settlement to be beneficial to the country. Friedman argues that, if properly handled, the Arab-Zionist conflict was not inevitable. The responsibility lay in the hands of the British administration of Palestine."<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/British-Pan-Arab-Policy-1915-1922-Friedman/dp/1412810744%3FSubscriptionId%3D0BMX5VDQDH6N8KPK8082%26tag%3Dfan-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1412810744%26coliid%3DI3PQJXF6NCXSYY%26colid%3D17HBF14IUK6BOEliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-9734031865224773072010-01-04T13:09:50.974+00:002010-01-04T13:09:50.974+00:00Yes, the situation at soccer games here is sometim...Yes, the situation at soccer games here is sometimes ugly. But Buck --as you point out-- wants to see all faults on the Jewish side. He also seems to be inciting against Mizrahim by making them out to be "racist" without any context. He sees no historical context of the experience of Jews in Arab countries or of our suffering since Oslo. Maybe Buck could pay some attention to soccer in the UK and the notoriously thuggish behavior of British soccer fans abroad. Let's not forget the game against an Italian team years ago when British fans beat about 12 Italian fans to death.<br /><br />One more point: Before Oslo, the Israeli Arabs seldom called themselves "palestinians." That only came after Oslo. In fact, I would say that hatred between Jews and Arabs in Israel has much increased since Oslo.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-24807985078810323622010-01-04T12:32:43.680+00:002010-01-04T12:32:43.680+00:00Eliyahu
Thanks for supplying the context so lackin...Eliyahu<br />Thanks for supplying the context so lacking in Buck's article. As you say, hatred of the left crosses ethnic lines, but Buck and his ilk are still mired in the 50s ethnic divide and its easy explanation of Ashkenazi'discrimination'.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-78110779770725335732010-01-04T12:23:58.263+00:002010-01-04T12:23:58.263+00:00When teams from Jewish cities and towns play in Sa...When teams from Jewish cities and towns play in Sakhnin [home base of Bney Sakhnin], they are greeted with chants of "death to the Jews." A few years ago, Arab soccer fans in Sakhnin physically attacked in pogrom fashion Jewish fans who had come to Sakhnin for a game. <br /><br />Apparently, Mr Buck did not see fit to report these facts. It is also true that fans of Beitar Jerusalem, as well as of other teams, chant "Mavet la`aravim" [death to Arabs]. <br /><br />Buck doesn't want to look at the context. By context, I don't just mean the history of Jews in Arab countries, whether Morocco, Iraq, Yemen or wherever. I mean the events of the last 16 1/2 years since Oslo when the number of terrorist attacks, of terrorist mass murders, and of victims [dead and injured both], rose dramatically over the numbers for the previous 16 1/2 years. <br /><br />Likewise, within the post-Oslo context, Israeli Arab politicians, including members of Knesset, have grown much more vituperative against the State and their Jewish fellow citizens. Moreover, everyone is aware of the hate incitement coming out of the "palestinian authority" and its mass media [radio, TV, newspapers], its mosques and Friday sermons, its teaching of hate in the schools, etc. The hatred for Jews openly preached and expounded in the "palestinian authority" by both Fatah- and Hamas-oriented voices is immense. Certainly, hatred in the other direction, from Jews for Arabs, is only to be expected. <br /><br />In this vein, I remember arafat's chant of praise for Yihya Ayyash, called the Engineer because of his prowess in bomb-making for mass murder purposes. This was in early 1996 after Ayyash had been killed by Israeli secret services with a bomb planted in his cellular phone. Arafat chanted at a mass meeting in Ayyash's memory: El-Mehundess, el-Mehundess, el-Mehundess, Yihya Ayyash [mehundess = engineer], to the loud cheers of the crowd.<br /><br />Methinks that counter-hatred would only be natural in such a situation. <br /><br />Now, I don't know if Buck explained that HaPoel is hated because it is associated with the Labor Party, which signed the Oslo accords and thereby brought arafat and his goons into the country. HaPoel = The Worker and was officially part of the Histadrut, the labor union affiliated with Mapai, which later became the Labor Party. Further, in Israel, "left" means anti-national, without any constructive attributes perceived by the general public, just destruction and mass murder perpetrated by the terrorists that Labor allowed into the country. Hence, it is no wonder that many Israelis hate the "Left." <br /><br />Now, many Ashkenazi Israelis feel the same way as the Mizrahim about the "Left." And it also known that some of the "leftists" are of Mizrahi origin, so the hatred is anti-"Leftist", that is, anti-anti-national. And hatred of the "Left" does not have to go back to the 1950s and 1960s when the Histadrut controlled access to jobs, promotions, etc. Yes, the Histadrut, like many American labor unions, was a hot bed of favoritism, cronyism, and such like corruption. But that does not explain why fans of Beitar Yerushalayim and other teams --including Ashkenazim-- shout "mavet la`aravim." The events of the past 16 1/2 years are explanation enough.Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.com