tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post1221881440792888215..comments2024-03-14T02:22:26.957+00:00Comments on Point of No Return: Jewish Refugees from Arab and Muslim Countries: BBC distorts Tunisian-Jewish historyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-48984402568226603242013-05-03T15:02:21.881+01:002013-05-03T15:02:21.881+01:00Plus ca change, Eliyahu!Plus ca change, Eliyahu!bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-32311117998439488502013-05-03T14:40:58.768+01:002013-05-03T14:40:58.768+01:00Of course, Berger and Greenstein and their ilk do ...Of course, Berger and Greenstein and their ilk do not mention the Farhud or the Nazi & Holocaust collaboration of Haj Amin el-Husseini. [the source of the quote from Berger in my comment above is Tony Greenstein's blog]<br /><br />http://azvsas.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.htmlEliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-3034158925227687292013-05-03T14:37:17.388+01:002013-05-03T14:37:17.388+01:00In the late 1940s, when the struggle was going on ...In the late 1940s, when the struggle was going on over the creation --or reestablishment-- of Israel, a certain formed in the United States mostly or wholly among Reformed Jews to oppose Israel's recreation. The leaders of this "American Council for Judaism" were Reformed rabbis, although some of the Reformed rabbis did support Zionism in some way. These rabbis leading the ACJ had done little if anything positive to get the US Govt to intervene to mitigate the Holocaust or take in refugees.<br /><br />Nevertheless, they feverishly opposed the Jewish state. At least one of them went to Iraq in that period and interviewed the chief rabbi at that time, Rabbi [as I recall] Sassoon Khedduri [spelling?]. The chief rabbi told Elmer Berger, the American Reformed rabbi and leader of the AJC that Jews were well treated in Iraq [this was after the Farhud] and had always been well-treated in Iraq and a Jewish state was not necessary, etc etc. Here is an excerpt from one of Berger's books, kindly reprinted by the PLO's Institute for Palestine Studies:<br /><br />"By the end of Israel's 'War of Independence', there were still 130,000 Jews in Iraq. As the <b>Chief Rabbi of Iraq, Sassoon Khedduri</b>, explained a few years later:<br /><br />‘The Jews - and the Muslims - in Iraq just took it for granted that Judaism is a religion and Iraqi Jews are Iraqis. The Palestine problem was remote and there was no question about the Jews of Iraq following the Arab position.’ [Rabbi Elmer Berger, Who Knows Must Say So, Institute for Palestinian Studies, Beirut, p.30]"Eliyahu m'Tsiyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973268399414290195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-37218791925226168032013-05-03T14:10:58.203+01:002013-05-03T14:10:58.203+01:00You know who puts us at most risk?
People like Ra...You know who puts us at most risk?<br /><br />People like Rachel Shabi and Naim Giladi...<br /><br />People who are so desperate to be loved in the Arab world that they are willing to lie about history.SyrianJewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-59030206063364662112013-05-03T13:46:43.357+01:002013-05-03T13:46:43.357+01:00Undoubtedly this is their motivation. The 'dhi...Undoubtedly this is their motivation. The 'dhimmis' in the article either live in Tunisa permanently, or have business interests they do not want to put at risk.bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-2593660459200654482013-05-03T13:39:44.822+01:002013-05-03T13:39:44.822+01:00Syrian Jew and Bataween
When I read the minimizin...Syrian Jew and Bataween<br /><br />When I read the minimizing any Diaspora Jewish community may make about relations with their neighbours, I wonder how much to put down to fear of repercussions if they spoke more frankly which are, these days admittedly more threatening in Muslim-ruled countries than anywhere else in the Diaspora.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-421444530690097772013-05-03T09:16:29.685+01:002013-05-03T09:16:29.685+01:00Very rarely have I encountered any Arab Muslims wh...Very rarely have I encountered any Arab Muslims who express remorse. They do express nostalgia for the way things were, and a desire to turn the clock back, but never say 'sorry'. <br /><br />However, they are terrified (eg the Egyptians) that the Jews will come back to reclaim their property, so they do have an underlying feeling of guilt.<br /><br />The fight for justice for Sephardi/Mizrahi Jews got off the ground only about ten years ago, and is handicapped by patchy and mealy-mouthed support from the Israeli government. We do not have the vast resources of the Arab and Palestinian lobby, in fact we have no resources at all apart from the efforts of a few volunteers. <br /> bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-55317564662705775622013-05-03T07:58:30.677+01:002013-05-03T07:58:30.677+01:00Ah,thank you for the link
You know, the question ...Ah,thank you for the link<br /><br />You know, the question I always ask myself as a Syrian Jew is why are we alone in our fight for justice?<br /><br />Why is the Palestinian cause defended by Europe and an ever-increasing number of Jews, yet I only see Jews active in the Sefardi/Mizrahi struggle.<br /><br />Bataween, have you encountered many in the Arab Muslim world that express any remorse or compassion for the Jewish refugees?<br /><br />Honestly I have not. Most refuse to admit that any mistreatment occurred, and the few that do acknowledge mistreatment blame it on Zionism.SyrianJewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-87145357497857152072013-05-03T07:28:28.260+01:002013-05-03T07:28:28.260+01:00PoNR's link to the Totten article:http://jewis...PoNR's link to the Totten article:http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/tunisian-jews-too-cautious-to-say-much.html<br /><br />You make a very good point.Journalists with less experience than Totten take declarations by dhimmi Jews at face value. The reader ends up confused. If a Jew does not admit to discrimination, why should anyone admit there is a problem, let alone fight for their rights? bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12677825.post-13990908414979442012013-05-03T07:06:15.978+01:002013-05-03T07:06:15.978+01:00I came across an interesting article concerning th...I came across an interesting article concerning the Jews of Tunisia:<br /><br />http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/last-jews-tunisia<br /><br />The author notes that the interviewed Tunisian Jews are extremely terrified during the interview, they say that they never where kippot in public, and that Tunisian Jews and Muslims do not socialise together at all.<br /><br />I don't see much evidence of this supposed utopia of Muslim-Jewish co-existence. All I see is acceptance of dhimmi status rather than an assertiveness to be recognised as equals.<br /><br />I've seen plenty of other articles where interviewed Tunisian Jews claim they are treated well in one breathe, and then admit that Tunisian Muslims see no difference between Tunisian Jews and Israelis.<br /><br />I think Tunisian Jews minimising their discrimination and Israeli Arabs exaggerating their discrimination is evidence of just how clearly entrenched this concept of dhimmi is, and how it negatively affects the quest for justice among Sefardim/Mizrahim.SyrianJewnoreply@blogger.com